Muti arrows on a bow is nice but if you dont release mouse button they dont fire(rapid click) maybe its about balance but i still felt it fired to slow for me in mose cases to be useful.

Regarding immunes, I have looked through all the bosses in the game and corrected quadra immune ones. Download patch 1.57x for corrected resists on them.

Now to the question. Yes. It is amazingly possible to SC triple immune monsters and kill them with Golem / Weapons / Holy Bolt / Apocalypse. The added bonus is that in cursed state they do not regenerate and your ToHit chance is always 100%. The main difficulty of this is not killing the boss him(her)self, but to kill his(her) minions first

Multi arrows work marvellous. Provided you are playing as a Scout.

To fix that, there is a simple possibility : create new affixes or suffixes (or rather transpose them) on bangles/collar which increase attack rate of melee weapons (quite common for the Speed effect, rare for Haste). I think it would nicely balance the game : each weapon can really be usable. Weapons which already have a speed bonus are still interesting because it allows keeping one bangle or collar emplacement free for other bonuses.

2. item drop - no. imo, item drop is a dumb idea. look at all modern games. how many of them have item drop? xp loss - no. some other sort - probably, but I need ideas for this if it's so important.

3. i don't know, will have to try this. sounds nice though

4. I'll have to think about it. And then try if I decide to implement this.

Добавлено (10.03.2008, 16:16)
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What do you think about making .sfv file for every Full Release of mod ? It would be usefull cuz I often have problems with rar files from your site:P

Use download managers, this will be a safe bet.

Bring me more details about the problem situation. Without details it's hard to understand what's going on.

The only monsters so far I cannot for the life of me kill are some Imp lightning magi (with a boss) in the caves I don't remember exactly what level, I'd have to check. They don't follow you, all they do is sit there and simultaneously cast 40 lightning spells at you from halfway across the map. Most monsters won't attack you until your light radius gets close enough where they can see you. With these buggers, as long as they have line of sight they will attack you, this must be a bug.

So the only thing I can see is maybe your armor factor isn't high enough. I'm somewhere around 450AF at clvl 35. Fastest attack weapon also helps a lot as it interrupts them. Recovery would be nice but I can never find equipment thats useful that has it.

I agree that lightning casters are a bit more difficult than other sort of magic casters. I'll try to rewrite lightning damage code for future. If I get lucky, it will be implemented as neat as Flash damage ATM. IMO, Flash damage (from monsters) is extremely well balanced.

Oli, if you get hit too often, it's obvious that your AC is too low for the given area. Consult Formulae tables to figure out how much AC you need.

Rob, I took my level 29 Scout player to purgatory caves today and came across those Imps and their boss Harlequin. There are 1 boss and (maximum) 16 minions. Maximum number of lightnings they cast is 17. However, I found it very hard to dispatch them. I succeeded but spent about 20 minutes on this pack. They didnt attack from too lomng of a distance how you said. Perhaps, you didn't restart SP game after upgrading? :\ I can only think about this as a reason.

BTW, dont count SP games. too many differents with MP.

Oli, start Glad without any item trading with ur toons, beat horror. start Scout without item trading with gillian. Cuz u started scout when ur glad has already gained lots of items and handicap start doesn't count as a normal starting. I can start glad with item trading and he will have about 100-1000 dmg on lvl 20 (i'll need shitloads of potions and shrine-runs, but result is awesome)

Lol... now i'll delete my glad, cuz i cant stop playing him and i think balance is crashed. Everyone who starts playing MP games and at least beat horror say that glad is overpowered. I have already understood it, so i'll test other classes now :P

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Gladiators are good against brutes with no sofistications. Provided AC and damage are high enough. Their problem is the opposite: ranged shooters. They are dealing a lot of damage when encountered in groups. They have to be chased, or cornered. And while maneuvering with one attacker, the others keep draining the very life of you. Additional problems arise if they can move around at an increased speed (bile spitters) or if they have retreat/phase immunity on top of that (mages). Now this should be fixed. This still needs fixing. I have some thoughts about modifying mage attack type so that they won't disappear for that long when phasing. Lightning damage formula also needs to be rewritten for better damage balance (atm dark mages are stronger opponents than magistrate). And again, as I see it, the only trouble of Gladiators is ranged shooters. Brutes dont cause much trouble. Even when you can't block and a monster is a real damage deaker, you can still have something huge to swing at it at a high speed and get a benefit from Knockbacker weapon type to avoid taking damage from it most of the time.

And one extra thing I have in mind about gameplay for warriors is to decrease the chance of ranged shooters for retreat again. Not low level onbes, but higher levels shooters. Bile spitters a lot and gloom clan a little.

Dmg from those 3 arrows is 2 times less from each (scout's damage is always about 2 times less)

Glad attacks faster (and with affixes of fastest attack...)

Glad can receive lifeleech

Glad has more hp about 1.5-2 times

Glad can use weapon type advantages that affect total dmg by type of monsters(maces>undead, for example)

Glad can use 20% chance of double damage affixes

Glad can use Rnd 0-300% damage weapons

affixes of +dmg stack on total dmg from 2 weapons, scout can use only 1 bow

Glad recovers faster

Those 3 arrows from scout can't always hit 1 monster(for example, if he stands just higher or just lower than scout)

Scout has 2 times less chance of crit and 2 times more dmg ==> it makes crits affect less total dmg, cuz glad on lvl50 can just add 50% to listed dmg (50% chance of crit 2x), and scout can't (cuz 26% isnt a big chance...)

I must continue?

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Добавлено (12.03.2008, 15:23)
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BTW, about +damage%: 2 executioner's blades will pwn everything with just 144 str req (or something like that)

I tend to trust Oli's comments more if they come from battlefield

This would be theory, if i didnt check it

+1 advantage is that Glad spents much less gold for repairing, bows with 3-arrow shooting breaks faster than 2 weapons and need less hits so glad earns much more money than scout(scout can even waste money while exping)

I think I'll release a patch with a neatly balanced lightning damage from monsters within several hours. I will need a little more time for fieldtesting and I'll have to make sure there are no problems with the modified code. And then you'll have a chance to taste the new thing

Stop, mages' lightning won't be nerfed, i hope?

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I meant mage as a character.

here is a video, showing the result

and one little critic why diablo and his greater demons in lvl16 arent in the petagram room, i dont like that this special group of monsters enemys is located so open
by the way i think some level structure have to be changed
some cinematics should be cut of for example the lazarus it makes me so isane, the worst is you cant skip it
i hope this sugestions arent to stupid

And same for Pepin's full healing jars.

- Specific monsters have better chances to drop items in relation to their nature. Example : archers-like (humans, skeletons or goats) monsters dropping bows or scout-friendly items more often than others monsters. There is still great randomness but more coherent and a little controlled. This logic can be extended to others monsters (shields with Knights, staves or books with Mages).

- Better distinction between weapons (melee or even bows) with high max damage but low min damage and vice versa. Actually, there are very few weapons with high minimum damage, and these ones are crappy or have no interest. I keep thinking the choice between these 2 types of weapons should exist at every level.

- Golem spell should be improved : Hitpoints and Attack increase with SLVL.

- Arcane star is a bit weak at high level : it's indeed a powerful spell which is efficient against magic resistant monsters, but it has no splash damage and so can only attack one enemy at a time. A sorceror has good spells involving fire or lightning at high level, but his magic capacities are clearly his weak point. Maybe this issue could be solved by giving an interest to Flame Wave or Flash.

- Elemental : quite high damage but I doubt it has its utility, Fiery Blast is far better and Fiery nova has greater effectiveness even if expensive.

- Staff of Meditation should have "-50% ranged damage" to be really useful. It has already nice bonuses for sorcerors (+mag, +mana +slvl) but
it costs 2 slots for the character. Wearing a knife + shield is strangely a lot more interesting for a sorceror than a staff. By the way, I guess Staff of meditation is an item for beginners or middle characters. Is there more advanced uniques staves for mage ?

Probably I wasn't clear enough, it was just a suggestion of me. This feature does not exist at all. Item drop is totally random.