Yeah that's a good question. Running would destroy game balance. Monster with normal walking speed wouldn't stand a chance against mage or other ranged char.
Btw if you want to move faster with melee char try out assassin. She has nice dmg and a lot mag for casting speels (teleport etc.).

Another thing would be to start out whit some more gold. 200 gold really won't get me anywhere that early and redoing lvl 1 like 10 times gets boring. Im not saying it should be a fortune. Just maybe 100 gold more or so.

And just some cosmetic changes: I prefer Farnham sitting on the ground, Grizwold should be spelled Griswold, Gillians greeting could be shortened.

And another thing i have to point out (tough this should be in bug report i guess) is that when you listen to Gillian's gossip you get the text and audio from like Cain or Adria.

That is all i can come up whit right now.

Also. It's my first post here.

Hmm.... Now that you mention it, i have no idea what i would use the extra gold for. Get some different gear for the starter char maybe?

As for the Griswold/Grizwold thing i just tought it would be more lore friendly to spell it Griswold and not Grizwold. But its not really up to me i guess.

As for the gossip bug i dont find it to be a big deal. The fact that she holds stuff for you so you dont have to lug all your crap around makes up for it.

1. I hear that many levels have all one monster type... well I really wish that wouldn't be so, that sounds really REALLY gay. If you remove those animal and undead mods on the clubs & sharps to do that, then why the hell not? it seems to me that it's the only way... would it really be that much of a loss?
I think yeah it would be a loss, but having lots of variety of monsters would be a 20x gain, far making up for it.

2. hey what about some "monsters" that have no movement?
I'm talking walls, towers, spires etc. ( pretty much, think diablo 2, but D2's towers weren't the most fun, but maybe by chance towers and walls etc. would be fun in the hell? ya wouldn't know till you've tried... )

3. you'll hate me so bad for this one but I had a strange idea for a quest... it would go something like this...
some levels with maybe a range of 3... erm... I mean say lvls 6-9 or 22-25 (wherever you want to add the quest) will drop "food" from some monsters ^^ and um... the towns people are starving... (perhaps some dudes outside the town thought a blockade would starve the town, kill the people and the livestock would follow pretty soon without people to care for them ... and then the minions of hell would be swarming into a village with little to eat. ^_^)
so you pick up the food that the monsters drop (lol maybe you are eating their dead bodies? :D) and then deliver it to one town person... (just one would probably be best... and he/she would redistribute it) then once you've given a fixed amount you are given your reward told something like the warehouses are filled for long enough whatever/whatever however you wanna end it...

2. I was thinking about a monster with Hydra gfx that would appear from the ground and thrust fire bolts. but there is no AI script in the game to support such idea. I didn't try to add new scripts yet.

3. adding quests is a complex thing. that's beyond me. at least for now.

grr... had a specific post I was looking for... but couldn't find it, all I could find was that one.

Anyway that's what I was talking about, the club/sword thing. If you make club and sword types treat skeletons and animals equally then you would be able to mix the monsters together on the same dungeon lvls.

I still don't like this idea.

I like undead on their own and prefer to not mix them with beasts

Can't you just put the monster speed down to zero. I'm not a modder, but surely there is a way to make them not move... maybe just get alot of noobs to start modding hellfire and check their "help plz a bug" topics untill one of them can't get his monsters to move.

probably, this would look funny. the on;ly moment it might scare you is when it appears from the ground without you suspecting.

Its just a suggestion but hey, thats what this thread is for right?

EDIT: I have another idea. How would green lava look in caves? Out of curiousity mainly.
Or perhaps brightgray lava and dark gray enviroment?

have experience points sort of pop up in text above the monsters as they die? or some kind of experience counter... maybe semi transparent text that stays at a fixed position on the screen maybe uptop left... not sure exactly what it would count... personally I think if it would just show the total exp gained on the dungeon level, that would be cool. What do you think?
And if you do it could you do it as an option so that you don't have to see it if you don't want to? that would make even the haters of the idea happy.

Perhaps even better... if you a exp pop up on death above the monsters... you could have different texts for it... like default style could be a cool looking dark text... another style could be a cute sort of rainbow colour style, perhaps another a sort of liquid blue... magma red... maybe an animation effect with some styles if thats possible without being too laggy ?
and I mean it so that these styles are the users preference, a thing that each person can change in the options menu. ^^

otoh, I'd prefer ToHit percentage popup above monster near the pointer to give player info about what are his chances of hitting the monster. you know the Fallout style.

That would be quite nice tbh. Fallout <3

1) Bosses would be able to drop elixirs : imo, bosses have to drop something valuable, and a elixir is a lot more interesting than another average random item. Elixirs would still be quite rare, though.

2) It's impossible to see bosses HP, even with Infravision. It's kind of problematic with a hard boss when you don't know if you're currently beating him or not, if he's near the death or not. Also, with No Resistances bosses who can be stone cursed, it takes a lot of time killing them with Golem + Mage weapon. Not knowing their remaining HP in this case is quite a torture. Does this information have to stay hidden for the player ?

3) Armors and Helms with prefix/ sufix which add points damage (some uniques have already this feature).

2. Right. I should have done this long ago. Will try to implement this.

3. Armors and helms are handled together when determining pre- or suffix. Some armors already have a built-in damage increase. Long-sleeved chains and most plates. I tend to think it's not needed.

What can you get the kill counters to do? (you know what I mean? it tells you about the resistances of monsters once you kill a certain amount)
Can you think of a big reward for killing a big amount of them?
Would that even work? it sort of resets when you make a new game or something doesn't it.

1. When i played Diablo (maybe 2-3 years ago), when you kill diablo, you cant loot the stuff it drops, cause the cutscene comes and game finishes. Is Diablo lootable now, and if it's not, is it possible to be?
2. I see you've done quite some balance changes, as introducing some stuff. How about some interface changes? I don't know what exactly i mean but i'm sure someone is pissed of with those
3. Is it possible to steal the merchant design from Diablo 2 and implement it here somehow, only in simpler way probably that will fit Diablo.
4. Are the pictures in the guide gonna be implented? I didn't quite get that part. If they are then - wow, you should license this
5. It's a pity you don't know how the quests work, extending/changing the story line or even creating a new one would be great.

I'll think of more don't worry

P.S. I'll probably forget the link so this goes in Bookmarks (why am i writing this?)

1. It's been implemented (long ago)
2. Before changing something, I have to be sure it will IMPROVE the game. Regarding interface.. well, I'm ok with what it is now. Some people have attempted to improve it, but didn't come up with something better than the original
3. Probably, if I had source code
4. They are the product of mine and San40's mutual work. And I don't understand what means "are they gonna be implemented?"
5. Yes, agree. It's a pity (see answer #3 by the way )

That's it for now, if you're living in Russia then i assume it's 18/9:25 there, but i'll have to wish a good night (i have kinda reversed lifestyle day-night and night-day, i'm like a vampire without the need of blood).

Would it be possible to code something interesting if you killed alot more, like 100 or 500 of them?
Would that even be possible... because the kill count sort of resets when you make a new game or quit doesn't it?

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Q: How many GP's can I put into one slot?
A: 50 000.

Poseidon,
gold can be an item with no problem because it's easy to trade it this way and also I don't like rewriting big chunks of code for doubtful outcome (as if I could, with the gold)))

and animations won't be implemented as they appear in the Guide. If we start working with professional model creation tools like Maya or 3DSMAX then it will be possible. But for now, I got other things scheduled (To Do list)

To resume : shrines runs are practically required to build up his character, and it spoils the fun of the game. I have a (radical) solution to counter that : purely and simply delete all shrines which give points attribute. To compensate, elixirs rate drop should be increased a little. The good points of this : no more runs required, more randomness. You have to fight monsters if you want to progress : pleasure to play the game properly. That makes sense for me.

Cryptic Shrine : the one which casts Fiery Nova, what's the use of this ? Maybe it could be replaced with another shrine which allows faster life or mana regeneration during some minutes or the entire level, if such an effect is possible.

More stats from monsters' elixir drops vs shrines' stat gifts <- that makes sense. I'll think about it carefully.

oli25,
true, Doom mode could give a bit more XP, I'll see what I can do with that. If the values won't wrap around the formulas could be updated.

By the end of Purgatory you'll need AC of about 200. Which is possible to have if you're able to wear chain armors. And wearing a chain is usually possible by the time you're in the middle Caves on Purgatory.

Maximum AC needed by the end of Doom is about 300 for CLVL 50, and ~320 for CLVL 40 players. And maybe around 344-364 AC needed to fight Uber Diablo with the best protection. That's where you need a lot AC indeed.

I don't see a problem with AC here. Unless, you're trying to equip a plate before you reach the end of Cathedral on Doom..

I can understand that the ability to run in dungeons is disabled to preserve balance of the game and the atmosphere of overwhelming danger. But in town, why do we have to endure that ? Yes, all NPC are near the fountain, and Adria no longer is far from the town. But still, it's simply a torture. This feature was one of the greatest change of Hellfire imo.

As far as I know, there are no unique items with faster life/mana regeneration bonuses. It's technically feasible, so, why not ?

Edit: After a whole day of downloading (my i-net sucks through the day), i finally managed to install the game (you should think of an installer for future). So here are my first impressions/suggestions/questions:

1. The Butcher quest is random. What i mean from 4 times i played Level 1, the guy with the quest was there twice. Whenever the guy gave you the quest the room and the butcher were generated, whenever the NPC was not even there, the butcher didn't exist in the level. First time i met the Butcher i was CLVL 3, and i didn't save for some time, so he slashed me once... and start over... Second time i confronted him i was CLVL5 and i had 20AC and -9 DFE. He was killing me in 2 blows, but what actually worried me that he had 9200 Life o_O.
2. Characters with small or no magic in the beginning have problems with traveling to town. Book of town portal drops pretty often, but for my gladiator 35 magic is outrageous, that means spend 7 lvls in magic only. And a relict of Town Portal costs 300 gold, which is quite problem in the beginning. I offer reducing the required magic for the tome to 15 or 20.
3. If you right click on blacksmith oil, or town portal or identify, it expects you to click on some place/item. If in the same time you click another potion you lose the previously clicked item.
4. In SP you're able to enter Purgatory withouth completing Horror. I don't know about Doom, i accidentally clicked on Purgatory and it allowed me to enter.
5. It'll be good idea to create guide on Shrines...
6. Although people should know the spots of NPC's, i still don't get why Auto-Map is disabled in town.
7. Is the only way to replay a DLVL by starting a new game? I mean if you want to replay DLVL10 you'll have to go all the way through...
8. Maybe change the background in inventory to blue, rather than red. Hardcore D2 players(i'm not one of them, i've only had 1 patriarch, and it still was mischieving for me) easily get confused if they can actually wear the item, when the background is red...
9. I believe complaining about the teleporting bosses is not of much use

Otherwise i like the mod. I god a unique bangle (Soul something) on DLVL2 i believe, so DLVLS 2 and 3 are easy for me without replaying. I did replay DLVL1 3 or 4 times though...

I do know how to create a simple installer. I can create a sample install and test it, although it will work more like a .rar. It just gets all the files from a folder and puts them into an .exe. You can of course modify some of it's features. It creates an own uninstall program, and links the folders with the registry somehow. Of course it has to be all of the files (including Hellfire itself). I do not know how to create a patcher though (to implement only the new files with every patch, OR try to update via internet.)

Umm... Why?

Well the guys are pretty nasty, you can only attempt to hit em once before they teleport again, and they have quite nice regeneration. So it takes quite a while for a melee character. Maybe i'm wrong, it's my first try...

Well for some XP yeah, and the first time i killed the 2 bosses they dropped 2 bows
I can't proceed with no equipment (i tried a bunch of skeletons just stampeded me )

I'll try the installer thing, but it'll be huge (it has to include the .mpq files as well) and will test it out. If it works fine, i'll see what can i do about creating The Hell as a standalone expansion (not as a mod for Hellfire)
I believe as we don't have any commercial purpose, we won't have any legal issues about it.

You can create (as people do sometimes) a torrent that includes ALL files (Diablo + Hellfire + The Hell), but I think it's going to be huge and second, I think it's better to create a MOD bundle after all. Legal issues? I don't know about that, but if continue with this, you will be the one in charge, agree?

"Teleporting bosses"
I mean who are they? I don't know any teleporting bosses in The Hell

I think, dexterity is the most important stat a Gladiator should start investing in at the beginning. After raising the actual ToHit% to about 50%, he can concentrate on Strength. Later on, ToHit will get improved from various weapons and jewelry. By the end of Horror mode, ToHit of 150% will give the best possible chance to hit the hardest monsters. With Fury activated, you'll have ToHit of 100% enough for this purpose.

Yeah sure, after all i take the initiative. Why would you need Diablo in the torrent if Hellfire is a standalone expansion. If someone wants pure Diablo he can always download it separately (or buy it, it's 10 pounds here, the strange thing is that Diablo 2 is also 10 pounds ).

There is another thing that worries me though:
You have ideas about expanding the game (enchancing gameplay).
I have ideas about the forum and the installer.
But... i think we don't have large enough community... I mean it's good to do something for the experience, or the pleasure of creating something yourself, but some fans is always good

The other thing is, that i only talk, it's time to do some practical - if only i weren't that lazy. And come on people we're not doing a dialogue here, someone else say something

So, people that prefer the first to sequel are in minority. I don't feel like going out enlisting everyone to TH community. Numbers are needed for those who make money on the project. Since I don't, it doesn't really matter to me. But I'd feel better if number of opinions and various reports was somewhat bigger.

I agree with him. When I play a melee character I tend to avoid sorcerors. The only one effective way to get rid of them is to use the corner, they can't teleport elsewhere but it's really time costly. I remember that in one of your messages Mordor, you wanted to weaken them (in decreasing their chance to teleport or in making them vulnerable during more frames when they try to teleport). Did you change your mind ?

- Ravagers retreat to eat up corpses when their HP drop below 50%, and they heal this way VERY fast;
- Illusion weavers regenerate fast and are stunned whenever they're hit (regardless of damage), they have increased hit recovery speed and thus faster turn into flee... which gives them full immunity to all attacks til they stop retreating, often one retreated Weaver gets replaced by another, which is at full HP;
- Gloom clan archers almost always start retreating before you even approach them, and their damage is unresisted (although CTH affected by AC and Evasion);
- Quasits, Blood legion & Warping demons are placed in one of the tiles near you if they get stunned by you, the tile is random. They are the worst enemy type for Scouts, especially when encountered in large groups;
- Magistrate & Dark mages behave the same as in original Hellfire, it's just that their damage is balanced better, is no longer weak and their Flash DOES damage that can't be called neglectible.

If a melee character has a decent damage, the Mages will perish quite fast. I have tested it a lot and I don't think that Mage type monsters are much harder for melee players than other ranged attackers.

1. When you deliver the Magic Rock to Griswold he gives you a Unique Axe. (it's not random drop, it's always this, maybe each character gets different item, i don't know). But whenever i start a new game with this axe, it morphes, not into a different item, but into an axe with the same name as my unique bangle - Soul Haven, and basically gives the same feats (+AC, +Life -1 DFE, -50% ranged). The problem is that it gives +0 AC, +0 Life, -0 DFE and -50% ranged. Somehow it copies the Soul Haven feats, and negates them. And it always does it, I tried it 3-4 times. I haven't tried stashing it , but it doesn't matter if the axe is equipped or not.
2. Does Fury have Level 2? You can find books about it...
3. Whenever you cancel an action from potion or relict, you lose it. Example - Town Portal relic, right click to use it. If you don't click on a place to open the portal, but do something else you lose the item. I guess i already said that, but i just found out that whatever you do you lose the item if you don't use it. If it's not fixable for now, i recommend putting it on the guide or something...

I think i got something else as well, but i'll think on my way to college, and edit the post from there if i encounter something

Edit: I think i figured out the problem described in number 3. This happens because the relict/potion disappears when the item is right clicked. If it is possible, make the item to disappear after the use is applied (not as soon as it is right-clicked), then canceling the use won't destroy the item.

2. Don't know. Gotta look up the code.

3. This is an interesting suggestion. I understand what you mean. I don't know where that code might be, but I'll put this on my wishlist right now.

BTW, have you ever had experience with ASM?